serving the king, followed by a number Ecclesiastes 7:19-8 yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him ( Ecclesiastes 8:12 ): Now, in the end the best life is the life of fearing God, walking with God. But it is tragic when people misinterpret God's patience and God's kindness. the WICKED appear to escape judgment and receive blessings. So we should not expect that corrupt people coming together to form a government would result in righteous rule. No man hath power over the spirit That is, over the soul of man; to retain the spirit To keep it in the body beyond the time which God hath allotted to it. Ecclesiastes 3:12; Ecclesiastes 3:13; Ecclesiastes 3:22; Ecclesiastes There is no man that has power over his spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it ( Ecclesiastes 8:8 ). 2. Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 21st Century King James Version. Yes, we see injustice that is hard to accept or understand. No man has any power over the spirit. [21] Also take no heed to all words that are spoken; lest you hear your servant curse you: IV. He, for his part, had applied his heart to know this wisdom, and to see the business that is done, by the divine Providence, upon the earth, to find out if there were any certain scheme, any constant rule or method, by which the affairs of this lower world were administered, any course of government as sure and steady as the course of nature, so that by what is done now we might as certainly foretel what will be done next as by the moon's changing now we can foretel when it will be at the full; this he would fain have found out. Benefits of wisdom, respecting government and Koheleth seems to have had a suspicion all the time that his view of This is not some kind of terror of God, but a profound respect that does include, as with children who love their caring parents, a healthy fear of disappointing and, yes, incurring judgment, recalling that God chastens every son He loves (Hebrews 12:5-11 Hebrews 12:5-11 [5] And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to children, My son, despise not you the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when you are rebuked of him: PrivacyPolicyTerms ofUse. God will judge. And the word forgotten does work here. And He is patient and merciful towards us as we struggle to walk in His ways, even despite our many and ongoing failures. [23] All this have I proved by wisdom: I said, I will be wise; but it was far from me. which God giveth him under the sun; man's present life is under the sun, and is continued as long as it pleases God; though it is but short, rather to be counted by days than years, and is a laborious one; and all that he gets by his labour, enjoyed by him, is to eat and drink cheerfully; and this he may expect to have and continue with him as long as he lives, even food and raiment, and with this he should be content. (Needing to give such instruction without any self-serving appearance could be part of why Solomon referred to himself as the Preacher throughout the book rather than as king.). It doesn't matter to God that I'm living an immoral life, because look at all that I have." And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day. THE BENEFITS OF WHOLESOME RECREATION 1. In Encountering Ecclesiastes, James Limburg relates what fellow biblical scholar and commentator Roland Murphy said to him in response to the issue of the author of Ecclesiastes being often referred to as a great doubter: The great doubter? That both he himself and many others had very closely studied the point, and searched far into the reasons of the prosperity of the wicked and the afflictions of the righteous. They should not spend weary days and sleepless nights puzzling over problems to which only God knows the answer (16-17). It is I say, "Keep the king's commandment for the sake of your oath to God. There is futility which is done on the earth, that is, there are Let us pray that we may view eternal things as near, real, and all-important. They will wait for a suitable opportunity to act, then act in such a way that, though they do not disobey the king, neither do they sin against their conscience (2-5).Despite the compromise he recommends, the writer knows that people remain uneasy about the outcome and about the future in general. these men against divine Providence, and the inferences they dra Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, American King James Version). speaks in the person of the libertine, representing the objections of People are soon forgotten after they die. Men hardened in sin, because not presently punished; but they shall not escape, but it shall go ill with them, Ecclesiastes 8:11-13; as it doth also sometimes with the righteous, whilst the wicked prosper, Ecclesiastes 8:14. One of the common mistakes that people make is that of misinterpreting the nature of God. This he speaks, either, I. We must get ready for sudden evils, and especially for sudden death ( v. 6-8 ). Keeping this in mind results in a deep and abiding reverence for Godloving and trusting Him while recognizing His supreme power and holiness (see Hebrews 12:28-29 Hebrews 12:28-29 [28] Why we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: i. of his life, Viewed by itself, and apart from its conte ECCLESIASTESNOTE ON ECCLESIASTES 8:14 It is a puzzling VANITY that We must get ready for sudden evils, and especially for sudden death (v. 6-8). MAN UNDER THE Others see ruach here as meaning wind, and take the statement to mean that just as the wind is beyond our control, so is death. Verses 12-13 show that beyond the prolonged days of the wicked today, it will be well with those who fear God but not for the wicked who do not. Furthermore, the verses in chapter 8 do not seem to speak of human government rectifying problems so much as of us taking care to not run afoul of government (we will see similar verses in this regard in chapter 10). which God giveth him under the sun; Drawing upon a variety of resourcesincluding commentaries, sermons, treatises, and confessionsmuch of which appears here for the first time in English, this volume provides resources for contemporary preachers, enables scholars to better understand the depth and breadth of Reformation commentary, and seeks to help readers find comfort in . And let us truly rejoice. 196-197). Add to Wish List Add to Compare. Yet that is only for now. let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.American King James Version, where Paul used these words negatively, as in Isaiah 22:13 Isaiah 22:13And behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine: let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die.American King James Version, of those who did not believe in a resurrection and hoped only in this life.] A good man's days have some substance; he lives to a good purpose: a wicked man's days are all as a shadow, empty and worthless. and who knows the interpretation of a thing? Ecclesiastes 8:1. Thus wisdom here leads to proper caution and can sometimes result in influencing rulers toward positive change. Then I commended merriment, because a man hath no better thing ( Ecclesiastes 8:15 ), And this is his human philosophy and human reasoning coming out again. If moral evil is in view, perhaps the sense is becoming a civil lawbreaker. 4: generatio praeterit et generatio advenit terra vero in aeternum stat. The Preacher is careful to set forth pleasure as a gift from God, to be earned by labor, and received with thankfulness to the Giver, and to be accounted for to Him. And so I saw the wicked buried, who had come and gone from the place of the holy, and they were forgotten in the city where they had so done: this is also vanity. There is no man that has power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither has he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it. Verse 15. Proud member Things being so, as was related, We must always remember just who we are dealing withand the awesome gravity of thatrealizing that this is for our ultimate good. Ecclesiastes 8:15 Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament "And I commended joy, that there is nothing better for a man under the sun than to eat and drink and enjoy himself; and that this accompanies him in his labour throughout all the days of his life, which God hath given him under the sun." The New American Commentary quotes an alternate translation of the verse: All this I have seen and have given attention to every deed done under the sun while man rules men to their hurt. This is the terrible human condition of today. it pleases God; though it is but short, rather to be counted by Therefore men fear him ([Job] 37:22-24) (note on Ecclesiastes 8:12 Ecclesiastes 8:12Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him:American King James Version). potentates, who do commonly advance unworthy men, and oppress persons The statement There is no release from that [or the] war could refer figuratively to the march into death that all face or simply be metaphoric for Theres no getting out of this. Then the final line, and wickedness will not deliver those who are given to it, would tie back to the turn to wrongdoing in verse 3. 3. In Solomon's reign the people were very rich, and lived in prosperity, which perhaps made them proud and petulant, and when the taxes were high, though they had enough to pay them with, it is probable that many conducted themselves . let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. For the time being we are subject to human rule. the preacher sets forth certain deductions. Sinners herein deceive themselves. The wise man is able to interpret all this in a proper framework, gaining a vital sense of what God is working out despite not being able to grasp the reasons for all the challenging details. Who makes this observation? Send inquiries regarding the operation of this Web site to webmaster@ucg.org. 19952023 All correspondence and questions should be sent to info@ucg.org. THERE IS A VANITY WHICH IS DONE UPON THE EARTH.] What else had he seen? Salem Media Group. Ecclesiastes 8:14-15 meaning Although life is mysterious, Solomon has discovered by submitting to the God of Mystery, rather than trying to make sense of the world through human experience, he can enjoy and appreciate the best life has to offer. Romans 13 speaks of rulers executing wrath on evildoers. 1. Solomon's pencil. That is a tragic, fatal mistake of misinterpreting God's grace and God's goodness to you. He would not have us try to give a reason for what God does. Verse 14 repeats the dilemma of Ecclesiastes 7:15 Ecclesiastes 7:15All things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perishes in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongs his life in his wickedness.American King James Versionthe righteous suffering what wickedness is supposed to result in and the wicked receiving what righteousness is supposed to result in. 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There is no specific reference to the government being righteous here, and the verses appear to end with the problem of human rule doing harm (verse 9), which we will return to. And it's probably true. sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry._ A Practical Verse-by-Verse Study of ECCLESIASTES - It is Don's interpretation that the book of Ecclesiastes describes Solomon's futile way of living as he heads down that slippery spiral of wine, women and song. "It doesn't really matter to God how I live. He saw wicked men to whom it happened according to the work of the righteous, who prospered as remarkably as if they had been rewarded for some good deed, and that from themselves, from God, from men. Item #: 203674. . It is good that you should take hold of this; yes, also from this withdraw not your hand: for he that fears God shall come forth of them all. The NIV renders the phrase in verses 5 and 6 as proper time and procedure. The New American Commentary notes: The wise man thus waits for the proper moment to make his case or take a stand and does not waste his influence on a lost cause (v. 3b). Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. and vexations arising from the vanity of the world. The apostle Peter likewise tells us to be careful regarding both divine and human authority: Fear God. He would have us to take occasion hence, not to charge God with iniquity, but to charge the world with vanity. There is a serenity that comes with things starting to make senseand with trusting that God knows whatHes doing when things still dont. He would not have us undertake to give a reason for that which God does, for his way is in the sea and his path in the great waters, past finding out, and therefore we must be contentedly and piously ignorant of the meaning of God's proceedings in the government of the world, Ecclesiastes 8:16; Ecclesiastes 8:17. Ecclesiastes 8:13. wicked men sometimes do not live out half their days, which, according to the course of nature, and common term of life, they might be thought to live; or if they prolong their days in wickedness, as sometimes they do, ( Ecclesiastes 7:15 ) ; yet their days at longest are but a shadow which declines, and is quickly gone; or . This new Bible commentary is designed to provide 21st-century scholars, pastors, students, and laity an academically competent, readable commentary in the Wesleyan theological tradition. Where the word of the king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What are you doing? Mirth - Better, Gladness, or joy (as in Ecclesiastes 2:10). The memory of the just is blessed: but the name of the wicked shall rot. God's not willing that any should perish but that all should come into repentance. Some put Ecclesiastes 8:1 Ecclesiastes 8:1Who is as the wise man? 3:22 ) ( 5:18 ) ; The next set of verses concerns following kingly authorityhuman governmentas a matter of life and death (verses 2-9). Life is empty. Notice as well that he mentions joy twice in this verse and describes it as something we can experience all through life. Then I commended mirth, because a man has no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labor the days of his life, which God gives him under the sun. This certainly ties back to the previous two subsections, where we were told that wisdom is a defense that gives life and that it strengthens those who have it (Ecclesiastes 7:11-12 Ecclesiastes 7:11-12 [11] Wisdom is good with an inheritance: and by it there is profit to them that see the sun. Nor does it mean that the person will be afforded protection by the government, though he or she well may, as all do to some extent. Others had likewise set themselves to make this enquiry with so close an application that they could not find time for sleep, either day or night, nor find in their hearts to sleep, so full of anxiety were they about these things. Because He doesn't execute His sentence speedily, because He doesn't immediately come down to the fist of judgment upon a man, a man many times thinks he's getting away with his evil. The scope of these verses is to keep subjects loyal and dutiful to the government. Eat, and to drink, and to be merry.The three words occur together 1Kings 4:20. abideHebrew, "adhere"; not for ever, but it is the only sure good to be enjoyed from earthly labors (equivalent to "of his labor the days of his life"). They've been talking about that for years. As has been pointed out before, some take a low view of the refrain. That is all the fruit he has for himself of the pains that he takes in the business of the world; let him therefore take it, and much good may it do him; and let him not deny himself that, out of a peevish discontent because the world does not go as he would have it. Things just continue as they were from the beginning.'" He intimates that he had tried for a better, but failed to reach it: "I said, I will be wise, but it was far from me." seventh chapter, to which they evidently belong. mind, thankfulness for what they have, and a free and comfortab Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the 15 Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. As the same commentary notes: Somesay that the Preacher is simply making the best of a bad situation, that Solomon is a cynic. man's present life is under the sun, and is continued as long as O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever! Ecclesiastes 8:15 NIV - So I commend the enjoyment of life, - Bible Gateway Read the Bible Reading Plans Advanced Search Available Versions Audio Bibles Study Tools Scripture Engagement More Resources Explore More Newsletters Devotionals Bible Gateway App Bible Audio App Bible Gateway Blog Bible Gateway Plus Store Bibles Deals More Passage The words There is are in italics in the NKJV, showing theyve been added to the original wordingunnecessarily in this case. Now in chapter 8, Solomon tells us to exercise wisdom and righteousness to help reduce and manage problems in many cases, maintain proper perspective and find joy in life and ultimate reward from God. In view of these contradictions, Solomon again recommended the enjoyment of life, not in a pleasure-mad way but in the sense of enjoying the fruits of ones labor (cf. Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. The Preacher is growing more and more confident about this joy. Ecclesiastes 8:15 in all English translations. That is because people end up sitting on death row for decades. III. Though he be very confident of success, though he think to know it, yet he shall not; he cannot find it out. days than years, and is a laborious one; and all that he gets by fearing God, enjoyment through God commended. $15.99 As low as $8.00. A man cannot find out the work of God though you search it out. Life under the sun. COMMEND PLEASURE, FOR THERE IS NOTHING GOOD FOR. Man in this world is the property of _labour._ 3. If one does not know what will happen, how can he learn when it will happen? a He would not have us to be surprised at it, as though some strange thing happened, for he himself saw it in his days, Ecclesiastes 8:14; Ecclesiastes 8:14. Neither hath he power in the day of death Or, against the day, that is, to avoid, or delay that day; and there is no discharge As there is in other wars . _ 1. The wicked will not ultimately be prolonged, yet the righteous will. Who is as the wise man? verba Ecclesiastes filii David regis Hierusalem. [29] See, this only have I found, that God has made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. The [1.] I counsel thee to keep the king's commandment, and that in regard of the oath of God. 14 Might as well enjoy what you got now, because man, it's going to be tough later. evil. Koheleth seems to have had a suspicion all the time that his view of life was a low one. The change of face here also reflects a new face on the problems previously discussed. drinking, and all manner of carnal deli Ecclesiastes 8:15 commended H7623 (H8765) enjoyment H8057 man H120 I counsel thee to keep the king's commandmen 1 Timothy 4:3; 1 Timothy 4:4; 1 Timothy 6:17; Ecclesiastes 2:24; Wisdom helps people see the underlying meaning of things and teaches them that to act with pleasantness is better than to act with harshness (8:1). What happens to one happens to the other. It's going to be well with the man who has departed from evil. of Do not be hasty to go from his presence. So I know that in the long run that life is the best. Though he be ever so ingenious, though he be a wise man in other things, and can fathom the counsels of kings themselves and trace them by their footsteps. Ecclesiastes 8 Commentary, this verse-by-verse commentary contain gems of information found nowhere outside the ancient Jewish writings . The Targum interprets it of the joy of the law; the wicked, that it is as well or better with the wicked than the which God giveth him under the sun; man's present life is under the sun, and is continued as long as it pleases God; though it is but short, rather to be counted by days than years, and is a laborious one; and all that he gets by his labour, enjoyed by him, is to eat and drink cheerfully; and this he may expect to have and continue with him as long as he lives, even food and raiment, and with this he should be content. and the seemingly unequal distribution of things in this world, lives, even food and raiment, and with this he should be content. Or possibly the reference is to a general promise to obey God, with this including the requirement of following Israels divinely appointed kingor maybe even any nations ruler, since, as Paul later points out in Romans 13, all governing authorities are in power because of God and are to be obeyedexcept when there is a conflict with Gods law, which must come first (Acts 5:29 Acts 5:29Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.American King James Version). Ecclesiastes 8:10 i _Then I commended mirth_ As before in chs. A man's wisdom maketh his face to shine, and the boldness of his face shall be changed. of the greatest virtue and merit: or, by God's providence, who s "SO. man's present life is under the sun, and is continued as long as it pleases god; though it is but short, rather to be counted by days than years, and is a laborious one; and all that he gets by his labour, enjoyed by him, is to eat and drink cheerfully; and this he may expect to have and continue with him as long as he lives, even food He saw just men to whom it happened according to the work of the wicked, who, notwithstanding their righteousness, suffered very hard things, and continued long to do so, as if they were to be punished for some great wickedness. Ecclesiastes 8:14-15 Solomon reminds us that, as life falls out for us, we frequently do not understand it. The Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the He's very long-suffering. Honor the king.American King James Version). 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