Five doctors have observed and documented this phenomenon. The person leaned into the car. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. I did not shoot my children.. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. This is a conflict of interest. Even if the nurses notes indicated countless times that the children asked for their mother and enjoyed her visits, they cut them off from the only family they knew and loved; supposedly for their own protection. It was a fairly new science at the time so thats all it took to find him not guilty. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . I agree. So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. Anyways, I was 10 years old when this happened, I stayed with my aunt and uncle a lot in those years, in which they watched A LOT of nightly news programs.lol most of it was like white noise to me, as I would play with my barbies on their living room floorbut I do remember this story. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it: opinion, not fact There is absolutely no evidence that Hungry like the Wolf was playing when Christie got shot but it is another detail they added to bring a dramatic element to this trial. And being the mother of three only served to propel Diane in a more manic state. The Downs incident occurred on May 19, 1983, when the 27-year-old mother insisted that she and her three children had been shot by a stranger on a deserted road in Springfield, Oregon. In an interesting development, in 1986, Christie and Danny Downs were adopted by Fred Hugi, the lead prosecutor who put their mother behind bars for the rest of her life. Wasnt he the stranger? She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? In what world is that O.K. Lived In Salt Lake City UT. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. Despite the arrival of two daughters, Diane and Steves marriage was unstable, and Diane would often take the kids and leave their home, but would always eventually return home to Steve. I asked her brother James an answer to your question. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. It appeared rigged and the fact that Ann Rule sat in the courtroom ready to produce a Masterpiece of Guilt could only help the prosecution. Jump through the States hoops, or find a noose around your neck. That makes no sense. Ann Rule did not leave a great legacy as far as honest reporting goes, and she is not the only one to have commercialized a criminal case for personal gain. Doesnt change the fact that it was still a conflict of interest. 78 court search results for people named "Robert Knickerbocker" in the United States. At least two of those school mates reported Christies tortured confession to their mother If I feel that due process was violated, I will go there anyway. The next day, on June 16, 1983, CSD terminated Dianes visitations with her children altogether. Page 10 of Case History. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? The forensic evidence alone is absolutely weak. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car. Arizona's governor, AG, condemn as 'barbaric' induced labor of . Information and advice to help you cope with the death of someone important to you. The only living witness to the crime was Christie, whose stroke impaired her speech and made her unable to speak to police. Evidence from a ballistics expert. Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. is this a reason??? In a fairly good knot which would have taken time to do one handed and teeth. Her parents Willadene and Wes were old school Baptist parents who raised her under strict guidelines without much warmth but complete devotion. If you had, you would clearly know that I do not claim her guilt or innocence. Disclaimer: Reference to these media outlets or TV shows should not be construed to imply an endorsement or sponsorship of Spokeo or its products. If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. I think that she has done enough time and should be released. I have plans to go hunting with the husband of one of the alternates.. The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. He told the police that Diane had previously stalked him and had even seemed willing to kill his wife to have him all to herself. So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. Your prayers were answered. If thats what you want then dont pretend its anything but. Robert was a married man in Arizona with whom Diane had been having an affair, back when she was still living there. They had high hopes for Dianes future and this bad boy was not part of it. From the very beginning, the DAs office had their ducks in a row because in an unprecedented move, Judge Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs. This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. Diane was diagnosed as being bipolar and subsequently diagnosed by a psychiatrist before sentencing. woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that? He then left !his second wife, Charlene, to cohabitate with (and propose marriage to) Diane. Robert Knickerbocker in Chandler, AZ Robert Knickerbocker may also have lived outside of Chandler, such as Gilbert and Tempe. It sounds like Diane was trying to tell her to stay away from bad influences. (LOL!! The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. It would be about November 20th that you would have gone back with Charlene, what, the next day? What I believe doesnt matter at all. I never found a photo of James C. Jagger online. A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. . She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. It opened a huge can of worms regarding the real identity of the heart full of lies in this case. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. The poor jury went along and Jagger did not put much ofa defense anyway. What got her convicted was two things the towel and Christie. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial, he tried to retain defense attorney Melvin Belli who had the reputation of fighting for his clients and to win all his cases. The couple married in November 1973, when Diane was only 18 years old. To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for6 monthsin 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. No worries. She said no mother would stop at 10 at night, in the dark, with three young children, to help a Bush haired stranger. Only after these avenues are exhausted should non-relative placement be looked at. Christies response: My mom.. And she should be allowed parole! The fact that the children were in no way protected by Child Protection Services is undeniable. You seem to believe everyone is innocent. The prosecutor would gently shake his head and the good judge would follow with a ruling. She has been in prison for so long that we dont know what her mental health situation is so it is a moot point for me. The kids were shorted-changed. In the nurses notes, she is described as in shock and unable to grasp the situation. A slightly humorous observation is that you said, and others have, that James Haynes physically resembled the sketch. As you might know, Dianes father passed away after many years of anguish over the fate of his daughter. It is not my point. We found 5 phone numbers and email addresses. Steven and Diane married on November 13, 1973. That hurt our family deeply. When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, its a red flag. From the time Diane was a teenager, when a physician ordered visterol in an emergency room situation, it has been documented again and again that sedatives ingested while Diane is in pain, provoke a chemically induced hysteria in her. I just tried to find a video or article about Hugi and I only get the one or two that I already have. Instead, the person accused of attacking them and wanting them out of her life, fought for them. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. I enjoyed your take, and agree their are several reasons with this, and lets be honestevery other case ever prosecuted, to take pause and question but Diane continues to lie, make up brand new stories about people after her, and has made no moves to better herself in any way shape or form while shes been in prison, by her own admission. But showing no remorse is part of claiming her innocence and part of the vicious circle of parole hearings. They have also lived in Watertown, NY and Scottsdale, AZ. Apparently drug mafia wanted to punish her for messing her nose in forbidden places, not because she was getting any real business in that but simply because she had one of the poorest judgements a person can have. Then feel free to correct the facts and to provide evidence to support them. Right away, the police asked her to go back to the crime scene even thoughshe did not want to leave her children behind. And according to the law, she should have been released by now, independently of what she says or not. To the authorities, it was a ridiculous notion that they would not entertain so they did not follow on numerous leads coming from people who had seen someone corresponding to that description. Plus, you do not let a newly appointed judge to criminal cases, preside over a high profile murder case when he has no experience whatsoever and has already prejudged the defendant dangerous to her children. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. It was Judge Footes first criminal case and it was against a woman whose children he had removed from her care even though she had not been convicted or sentenced; a conflict of interest and pure madness. It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. What about the judge stopping a defendant from getting a new attorney? She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. Where is the blood spatter on Diane? In fact, if appropriate family is found, termination is not required. The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. Hey Jace, I was not going to post your insulting comments but I decided to let the last sentence fly so that I could answer it. Thanks again. The Parole Board had an obligation to parole Diane between 1998 and 2002 if she could provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society. Do you remember a couple of days after that, December They checked her shoes and they were clean. Were they involved in the plot too?? Do you REALLY believe she expected them to live especially since she drove at less than 10 mph. A 1951 graduate of Johnson City High School and retired after 20 years from the United Sta Robert Knickerbocker in Scottsdale, AZ Robert Knickerbocker may also have lived outside of Scottsdale, such as Phoenix. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it. I will not remove anything. I talked about her still being locked up, all these years later, because I really want to know is it because we believe she will commit more crimes or is it because we need more revenge? https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M: If youre talking about the picture in the blog that is labeled as Christie, it is Christie. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. The man you have listed as Fred Hugi is actually Dianes attorney Jim Jagger. Not giving you free reign here. Her father also insisted shetry to help catch the shooter. The character of the accused is not the main ingredient, especially that in this case, there was a lot of bashing going on in the media and in court. The goal is always to keep family ties intact. While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? Its a fact. Despite all of this: that the attorney became a Foster Carer irrelevant, inflammatory, subjective and bears no reflection on the trial, or indeed the trial outcome. View their profile including current address, phone number 520-293-XXXX, background check reports, and property record on Whitepages, the most trusted online directory. Meaning it was unlikely she was the shooter. Three weeks after the crime, Judge Foote from family courts, removed Danny and Christie from the care of Diane Downs and her family. Thanks for posting for readers. He still shouldnt have been allowed to adopt them while the appeals process was ongoing, if he had any role in those cases. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. I feel sorry for Diane too. And she would have been under supervision. so which one is it????? No excuse there. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. In reply to Nick. Glenda Mack says she has no idea who would hurt the young boy she had been raising since he was a newborn. My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Dianes case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. ), years in solitary confinment Whats wrong with us?! (I know that wasnt brought up this time but it usually is.) Was that Annes fault as well? He knows as he was in court and must have photos. Same with her brother. As a suggestion, I would love to see a like or dislike button for each comment. Its as if they cant control it. Diane did not get a fair trial. Also, I agree he does look a little like the actor who played Fred Hugi but I think it might be a coincidence. The US is a very strange bird when it comes to crime and punishment. There are no facts? As far as we know, Robert Knickerbocker, now in his 60s, is retired and living a good, simple life, in his hometown, Arizona, away from the prying eyes of the public. College: SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY. Other Locations Watertown, NY Scottsdale, AZ . We make them president!!!! Current Address: ZANZ N La Cholla Blvd, Tucson, AZ. This is what I try to do when I research a case that was deemed to be a slam dunk. This blogger believes in the presumption of innocence and in the possibility of redemption. No OTHER reason. Diane followed the detectives to their car. Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. But why was the judge in family court hopping over to criminal court? I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. Whenever your shoot a gun that many times and that close to the victims, theres going to be blood and powder residues. U seem very one sided on every case Ann Rule has ever written just as u claim she did to u. N her parents didnt want custody of the children just like the father. Robert Craig KNICKERBOCKER was born on December 25, 1932 and passed away on May 15, 2015 in Tucson, AZ and is under the care of. The reason she is likely locked up is because she was diagnosed with narcissistic, histrionic and anti social personality disorder, that makes her a very dangerous person (especially since she is a murderer). Im not arguing the facts of the trial, and Im not about to. Join Facebook to connect with Robert Knickerbocker and others you may know. Movie scene alleging that Christie was scared. 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